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Please answer seriously, don't give me short answer without anything and don't repeat what others have said without adding your own new opinion.

1) Why do you choose pen spinning as your primary manipulation-type hobby?(if you have other manipulation-type hobbies, please try to think which one is you like the most or won't give up before others)
1.1) Relevant question that you might answer: If you think pen spinning is unique, in what way/sense that you think it is unique? please think critically.

2) Why do you think other people don't want to/choose pen spinning as their primary manipulation-type hobby or even just learning pen spinning?


Add: My friend told me that rubik's make ppl think rubik's cuber are 'smart' and PS make ppl think psers have high dex fingers/hands but not 'smart'. I think most people(not all) in my place(Malaysia, especially chinese) like to look 'smart' than anything else so they might tends to choose RC over PS. What's your opinion?


Background of the questions: (you can choose not to read)
First of all, i started to think about these questions in my mind because i'm preparing a topic with outline for my coming english informative presentation and i have to hand in by this coming monday. I choose pen spinning to be the topic, then i started to have many questions in my mind because i need to answer 3 questions for choosing my topic.

1st, what would your information benefits your audiences?
2nd, do you think the audiences will be interested to listen to your topic?
3rd, why do you think it is necessary for them to know about the topic? (i don't remember 3rd question very well but it's something like this i think)

I'm cracking my mind to think how to introduce/explain PS to the somewhat-know-I-PS-but-do-not-really-know-much-about-PS audiences(classmates+tutor(she might not have seen me PS)). BTW, I'm not going to talk about my presentation here. It was all started with one of my friends who knows i ps and also know that i'm going to use pen spinning for my topic. He also know that i play rubik's cube sometimes. So he was suggesting me that do presentation about Rubik's Cube(RC) instead of Pen Spinning(PS) because he thinks Rubik's Cube will give more impact than PS(it means able to influence people to play rubik's). I asked him why does he think so and he answered that because people tend to not choose thing that 'looks' impossible/difficult/take time and for him, between RC and PS, he will choose to learn RC.

So i asked another 3 friends(1 guy, 2 girls) who also know about my PS and RC as much as that guy friend does. the guy choose PS, because he thinks it's cool and do not need to use the brain much. 1 girl choose PS too but reason is unclear and another girl choose RC because she also thinks RC is easier to learn. At this moment of my life get miserable again whether to do PS or RC in presentation. <_<

Ok, here goes!

1) OK, the reason why I choose PS is because its cool . Moreover, schools are banning RC nowadays because they say that its distracting because while the teacher is teaching, you're playing with it. But one thing about PS is that you can play with it whenever you want to and the teachers don't care! (my school that is, not sure about others), and its more "affordable" to play, rather than an original RC which costs around RM 30, but if your cube is the pasar malam version, than that's a different story. And if I had to choose another hobby, I'd choose either RC or yo-yo

1.1) Ok for PS, its more unique because the pen spins, turns, moves, rotates, etc., at a very high speed so it makes it look like its gonna drop but doesn't (which sometimes does), and that's cool! And there are hundereds of tricks and combinations so you do the math! But for RC, the only thing unique about it is the taken for a person to solve it, THAT"S ALL

2) Firstly, when my friends or anyone for the matter sees me or any PS, they will first ask how did you do it, and then later asks you to teach them but later, they'll just give up because of a few reasons which includes, its too hard, not really interested or don't have the time

P.S.

Hope all that helped!

okay, now im seriously answer!!!..
IMO,:
1.i chose penspinning as my 1st manipulation is because of its
impossibility that you will see just from a useless stick!!!
how can a straight stick can be spinnin' between the gap in our finger!!!

1.1,penspinning is unique when you see some thing that
impossible and the pen is spinning between your finger with
a smooth motion and movement....it also can make ppl
shock to see the pen moving all around the hands!!...
and they will wonder,'how to do that?how to do that??!!'

2.it is simple answer, maybe it is hard and take too long
time to succeed,plus they think that their hands are
impossible to do a such crazy tricks...

okay, for your add question,
i think its not like the ppl said,....RC make the person looks smart...
but for me,..the PS is more impossible and will make a different
and greater result from the RC...haha...
i'm saying this becuz, i'm 16 years old, and still schooling,..
soooo, now at my school is famous with RC,....
with this, the RC will result as the manipulation that
everyone knows how to solve the RC,...
becuz almost of my school's student, are bring the RC
at the school....tak kira kelas belakang atau kelas depan,
they know how to solve it!!!! sooo it result as
the manipulation that dont use an IQ anymore....
becuz, when you get the formula,the RC is solved.
so if everyone can solve the RC,using formula given,
and spreading,then the RC is not a smart 'thing'
anymore.....
plus the formula can be search in the youtube...
i admit that i can solve the RC too haha...
just learn from them...hehes...

and for your background questions,

1st,the information that benefits the audience is how to spin pen!!
haha...try to attract them with simple and easy to learn tricks,
like harmonic thumbaround..becuz the famous tricks are thumbaround...
so just tell them that the harmonic thumbaround just
a developing from simple thumbaround....

2nd, yes, the audience will be interested to this topic becuz
they cant do the penspin!!haha..

3rd,i dont know how to answer this question...but its about hobby,
so maybe can improve the hands dexterity..haha

i also suggest you to trust yourself cyshing....
if i ask you what did you like?then you must say that you
like penspinning...
sooo, good luck for your presentation...

Wow, i just posted and so fast i get 2 replies. Better than posting in UPSB lol... after 2-3 days only get 2-3 replies.

Actually, pen spinning isn't really that low cost if you're a long-term enthusiast. Even veteran spinners have few mods to switch or spare, so that will cost more than RM30. Unless all you got are Bictories. lol But if ppl want to start, of course they can start with mod like Bictory which cost only below RM10.

-dj chang- wrote:1.1) Ok for PS, its more unique because the pen spins, turns, moves, rotates, etc., at a very high speed so it makes it look like its gonna drop but doesn't (which sometimes does), and that's cool! And there are hundereds of tricks and combinations so you do the math! But for RC, the only thing unique about it is the taken for a person to solve it, THAT"S ALL

2) Firstly, when my friends or anyone for the matter sees me or any PS, they will first ask how did you do it, and then later asks you to teach them but later, they'll just give up because of a few reasons which includes, its too hard, not really interested or don't have the time

P.S.

Hope all that helped!

@dj chang: i have the same situation with you for #2.

CainGraywood wrote:okay, now im seriously answer!!!..
IMO,:
1.i chose penspinning as my 1st manipulation is because of its
impossibility that you will see just from a useless stick!!!
how can a straight stick can be spinnin' between the gap in our finger!!!

yeah, when you're serious, you post very good thing. lol
That's what i think about pen spinning too.

CainGraywood wrote:1.1,penspinning is unique when you see some thing that
impossible and the pen is spinning between your finger with
a smooth motion and movement....it also can make ppl
shock to see the pen moving all around the hands!!...
and they will wonder,'how to do that?how to do that??!!'

I never thought of making ppl 'shocked' but yeah, if they really shocked, that feels not bad. lol

CainGraywood wrote:2.it is simple answer, maybe it is hard and take too long
time to succeed,plus they think that their hands are
impossible to do a such crazy tricks...

it's long but not too long...
Anyone can do RC, and most ppl know there is a so called 'formula' (actually is method).
Anyone can do PS too, but not many ppl believe they can do it. There is no 'formula'. (but got method of course)

CainGraywood wrote:okay, for your add question,
i think its not like the ppl said,....RC make the person looks smart...
but for me,..the PS is more impossible and will make a different
and greater result from the RC...haha...
i'm saying this becuz, i'm 16 years old, and still schooling,..
soooo, now at my school is famous with RC,....
with this, the RC will result as the manipulation that
everyone knows how to solve the RC,...
becuz almost of my school's student, are bring the RC
at the school....tak kira kelas belakang atau kelas depan,
they know how to solve it!!!! sooo it result as
the manipulation that dont use an IQ anymore....
becuz, when you get the formula,the RC is solved.
so if everyone can solve the RC,using formula given,
and spreading,then the RC is not a smart 'thing'
anymore.....
plus the formula can be search in the youtube...
i admit that i can solve the RC too haha...
just learn from them...hehes...

but my situation is not many ppl can do RC in my class or college. Got ppl can do, but not really so much yet.

CainGraywood wrote:and for your background questions,

1st,the information that benefits the audience is how to spin pen!!
haha...try to attract them with simple and easy to learn tricks,
like harmonic thumbaround..becuz the famous tricks are thumbaround...
so just tell them that the harmonic thumbaround just
a developing from simple thumbaround....

can knowing how to spin pen considered as a benefit? o.O'

CainGraywood wrote:3rd,i dont know how to answer this question...but its about hobby,
so maybe can improve the hands dexterity..haha

yeah but what can hands or more accurately, fingers dexterity help in practical?

CainGraywood wrote:i also suggest you to trust yourself cyshing....
if i ask you what did you like?then you must say that you
like penspinning...
sooo, good luck for your presentation...

well, of course i like pen spinning the most, i've never get into something and continue it for so long. i usually have the so call '3 minutes heat' only for anything else. haha... Rubik's Cube is more like something extra to me, i don't do cubing as much as spinning, i'm still doing Layer by Layer method and need >1min to solve.

Because it's a serious presentation which will give me coursework marks, i have to do it carefully, furthermore the tutor is quite strict. But i think i will do my outline with pen spinning 1st, if got reject then only change. BUT, I still WANT to hear more opinions from more ppl.

Ops, I forgot to answer the add and BG question, anyways, he we go again!

Ok, just because you can solve a RC doesn't make you smart because there's a method to solve it, people who can solve it and call themselves smart people are actually "un-smart" because they are just copying/using the method to solve it and nothing more, same goes for PS (not so sure about it though), we are using the different types of tricks to create a combo. And when it comes to thinking skills, both are the same because when solving a RC, you'll have to predict where a piece will go when you solve another piece and which algorithm to use (the method for solving RC), as for PS, you'll have to think how to move a pen form one spot to another in a cool way, which is the same like RC, using different tricks, there are thousands of ways! Maybe more! So for example, if Albert Einstein, the smartest dude in the world (not sure), was a PS, and has no idea how to solve a RC, would that make him "un-smart"????, but he is the smartest man in the world!!

BG question

1) Ok, the main topic is PS, so stick to it!

2) Yes, because its 100% more attractive than RC! And PS can go on and on, rather than RC, once you've solved it, game over!

3) Because its an uprising (getting popular) hobby, and its cheap! (for a beginner)

1. Because it is very umm flexible lah. You can spin almost anything pen-shaped, anywhere, anytime. No limits to where you want to bring this hooby. And also it's a very visually-appealing hobby. It's good for classrooms when you're feeling bored or thinking you can just go entertain yourself, and at the same time getting recognition from your friends as 'the cool dude who can spin pens' lol. And it's one of those hobby's that is pretty simpler, unlike RC which needs all that techniques and strategy. But pen modding isn't really cheap so I wont say that pen spinning is cheap. But if you just spin one pen throughtout your pen spinning life, it is quite cheap. lol

1.1 It's unique because no other manipulation-type hobby, is so flexible (in the sense that you can easily chain combos and hybrids), so well organized (thanks to upsb's naming comittee and stuff) and so visually appealing. It's a good hit among the students inc lass i guess. lol

2. Because it takes time to learn the tricks, as Cain Graywood said earlier. I aslo think that they dont want to be stereotyped as the 'nerd' who spins pens lol

There you go.

-dj chang- wrote:So for example, if Albert Einstein, the smartest dude in the world (not sure), was a PS, and has no idea how to solve a RC, would that make him "un-smart"????, but he is the smartest man in the world!!

Haha, good example. but can't say that RC once solve is game over because the RC ppl always seek the fastest way to solve so they actually developed quite many ways to solve the cube and once you're familiar with the cube, you solve it through instinct, just like PS freestyling.

BloorA wrote:1.1 It's unique because no other manipulation-type hobby, is so flexible (in the sense that you can easily chain combos and hybrids), so well organized (thanks to upsb's naming comittee and stuff) and so visually appealing. It's a good hit among the students inc lass i guess. lol

yeap yeap, you reminded me of this.